This is too real

This is too real

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  • Man this hits way too close to the heart. My father and I work together, and we often discuss politics as we drive into work. He’s a lifelong Republican, Trump voter, and we’re from the south.

    I’m an independent, but I’ve always considered myself a progressive. As things have unfolded with Trump dad has been slow to admit maybe the president wasn’t the best choice, but to his credit as time has gone on he’s begun to admit it looks like Trump is not a good president.

    As we’ve discussed Trump’s moves and statement about different things it’s led to our discussing those issues. Dad always wants to know “well what would you do different?”

    The really frustrating thing is that as I explain why I think healthcare should be universal, religion should be kept out of schools, immigration needs reform to give a better path to citizenship, or the necessity of the EPA he often just dismisses many of the points as socialism. While honestly some of my ideology could be described as socialist in leaning that doesn’t automatically make it evil.

    I don’t know, it seems like an uphill battle trying to show my dad that it’s not wrong for our government to use some of our taxes to provide for people that need help. It’s unlikely he’d pay anymore in taxes, and frankly even if we paid a bit more, I’d rather pay to save people from disease or starvation than pay for more missiles and more war.

  • Well, that about sums it up. I’ve noticed that people generally either think we should care about others and help them and then you have Republican Christians who ironically are in it for themselves alone.

    I’m as stingy as the next person, but I understand that taxes can work if the government would actually collect them from the ultra-wealthy people and companies and then stop wasting so much money.

  • They read Ayn Rand in high school and think it’s cool to not care

  • So I had someone throw down with me on FB for sharing that article. We got into a debate about minimum wage workers somehow, and it spiraled out of control. Eventually he lost it when I told him he needs his bubble popped. His entire family dynasty has had multi-million dollar real estate closings for almost 50 years, and wants to try and say that his views were not skewed because of it. Of course,pointing this out made it even worse.

  • That’s just as hard as explaining that Republican ≠ Christian to your baby boomer parents.

  • And it’s not like you get nothing out of caring for people. For example, Obamacare went a long way to reduce the deficit, something that’s arguably better for all of us. It also reduced the number of medically related bankruptcies, which means hospitals and providers aren’t passing the costs on to the rest of us. Everybody wins when we care for each other.

  • Every man for himself is the law of the jungle, not the law of the land. Civilization itself is founded on the principle that we are our brothers’ keepers.

  • And then the Republicans say “I care about other people’s tax dollars!”

    Right, that’s totally the same thing.

  • As humans we are naturally dependent on each other for our existence, but our society has allowed us to be more individualistic and self sufficient, which sounds good….but maybe the fallout is that people revert to being more self-centered and have less patience with those people around them…..a catch-22 scenario.

  • It’s an impossible thing to rationally explain because there’s no rational basis for it!

    Perhaps in a society where people might get shunned for their behaviour, or even exiled, there’s a need for social bonding.

    But does it matter now? There’s no reason not to be a dick.

    Want a food, water and shelter? Basic human rights, won’t be denied. In some unhappy places in the world you might be if you can’t afford them.

    Want human contact? Plenty of people just as dickish as you online to talk to.

    Want sex? Either pretend to not be a dick for a while or hire an prostitute. Genuine caring not required.

    In working as a society to ensure all our needs, and desires, are met as much as possible with as few frustrations as possible we’ve removed the structures that gave people a reason to care.

    Unless someone looks inside themselves now and decides they’re going to care, they’re not going to bother.

    This isn’t people becoming worse. People have always been dicks. Selfish dicks. In the modern world we’re seeing the real people coming through clearly.

    This is *why* mankind invented religion. To give a reason why people should care. Regions are about observation, judgement and punishment. Gods are the ultimate parent figures.

    But just like a teenager, when we grow up we realise we don’t have to listen to mum and dad anymore!

    What’s really needed is a society where we teach people how to find their own meaning and purpose to life. Guide them, and accept them into being the best they can be. Happy people who are satisfied with life tend to be less of a bag of dicks.

  • This is what bothers me most. Like I wish we could just separate the country into two and let the left create a government for it’s people and let the right create a government for it’s people. I don’t want to live with people that are so selfish and I’d like said selfish people to live in their libertarian dream world where it’s literally them, their shotgun, and their property against the world.

    Like it’s bullshit that we are both being held in this arrangement when clearly we would enjoy it more separately. We need a national divorce.

  • more people alive = more people to make purchases from your business = more money you personally make

    Also, more money business make, the more you politicians get in “donations” from them.

  • it *is* possible for someone to disagree with you politically about the best way to help people…

  • I’m all for a lot of the things typically labeled as entitlements that just benefit lazy bastards and druggies, but the wording in that title is just bad, and not accurate. It’s not “should care about” that usually ends up being a problem for people. It’s “_have to_ care _for_”, and that’s not unreasonable.

  • With everyone being dehumanized by everyone else, we don’t really have to worry about thinking about caring about our political enemies, only our allies. Oh yeah and pretty much anyone with an opinion is an enemy of someone else so we’re all fucked.

  • this place isn’t funny, it’s a typical bash everything not liberal. Since I am from “The_Retard” (to save you time) i’ll say, believe it or not, I’m a liberal. i actually started listening to what they have to say. there a lot of other liberals on there too.
    if you’re not an actual bigot, go to Askthe_donald instead, where I go to more. you might be surprised.
    or you can flip your shit and start calling me names.

  • There are good republicans and good democrats who want to help people but don’t agree on how to do it.

  • I feel like everyone cares about others, just has different ways of going about it. Should we be forced by the government to care or should we all be doing it voluntarily?

  • The problem doesn’t seem to be quite so broad as “they don’t care about people” but that the way they think you help someone is by doing 2 things: 1) not directly helping them in any way via social assistance programs (even if shown to have a positive effect) and 2) telling them to “just stop being poor/sick/dumb etc” will suddenly make them “pull themselves up by their bootstraps” (even though upward mobility in the US has been declining for decades. Thus meaning that pulling oneself up by your “bootstraps” is becoming harder and harder for anyone to do. Let alone those among the disenfranchised and poor).

    tldr; they think they care and think they’re advocating for policies to help, but don’t realize that their care isn’t well directed and their “help” is anything but

  • Its hard to care about people who dont care about anything other than or including themselves.

  • I don’t know how to explain how millions lost care under Obama or why premiums are skyrocketing and providers bailing. Please upvote my feels.

  • I was speaking with an old friend the other day about politics and I had a hard time comprehending his views. He is very pro Trump and conservative where I am very liberal. It wasn’t a very nice discussion to be honest and got a little heated. One big difference is our views on social assistance and the raising of minimum wage.

    The thing that was truly hard to understand was his total lack of concern for his fellow man. He said he rather people on welfare die than raise his taxes and minimum wage should stay where its at because that’s what he made when he was young.

    I was totally blown away to say the least. Its not everyday you get to see the other side’s views. I try to be as understanding as possible, if to only keep the conversation civil but I just sat there dumbfounded.

    Could someone really just not care about others like that?

  • Some guy told me on Twitter “gosh progressives sure are generous with my money.” If people actually gave the money they owe, America wouldn’t be in this mess.

  • You can care about other people and still be pissed off about other people making you spend your money on things you don’t agree with. Society works best when we help each other out because we want to, not because government is holding a gun to our head to fund programs designed by bureaucrats.

  • Explaining empathy to people who have none is like explaining feelings to a sociopath.

  • The problem is that voting for Democrats does not equal caring about other people; Democrats have fucked over working-class people for the past 20 years while claiming that they care about them. When was the last time you heard a Democrat fighting for labor unions? It’s not that people don’t care about other people, it’s that the party that claims to care about the vulnerable groups in our society is a sham that takes massive amounts of money from extraordinarily wealthy interests and thus refuses to implement policies that reflect their claims. So then when people vote against that party out of a mere desire for change from the same old bullshit it’s construed as them not caring about other people. I don’t disagree that their desire for change led them to a candidate who will clearly be worse for their welfare, but the only way to fix this is to a) start a new party that is independent of corporate influence or b) hold Democrats accountable and make sure they are actually standing up for working class Americans rather than just claiming to be doing so.

  • I don’t think people don’t care about other people, they care about you forcing them to do what you deem “good”. Then if you disagree you demonize them. The left doesn’t have the moral high ground simply because they say their cause is just.

  • To clarify, both parties “care” about other people. The left believes that helping other individuals should be left to the state, and the right believes it should be left to specific people, often the wealthy.

    Edit: Guys, I am not siding with either party in this comment. I am stating the political theories of each side.

  • You forgot the part you liberals leave out….

    .. you should care about other people….*by spending YOUR money to help only those who I choose as deserving whether they are good people or not*

  • I don’t know how to explain to you that ‘you should’ is not a thing you say to other adults

  • “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”

    ― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law (1850)

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